Sick Green Potted Puffer!!!

[SaraGarcia1701]

I bought a Green Spotted Puffer yesterday, my old one having died several months ago, and she seemed happy. Buzzing around the tank with bright colors and a white belly. I fed her frozen bloodworms and her belly got huge but then within the hour she was back to being the flat bellied little thing that she was when I bought her. So I presumed it was an intestinal parasite and quickly went out and bought Metronidazole, which was referred to me by a different pet store than where my puffer came from. I mixed some into her food-taking one of e cubes of frozen bloodworms and mixing it with one dose (125mg) of the medication plus a tablespoon of e tank water. I fed her a little bit more and she grudgingly ate some but just to be sure I put a dose (125mg/40 L (40 L being 10 gallons)) straight into the water.
Now, the next day, she's swimming slowly and bumps into Inge now and then, her color seems more gray though her belly is perfectly white. Dd I overdose her? Is there someone wrong with my water? Is she dying? Did the parasites finally get to her? Does the Metronidazole naturally change their behavior a bit? I don't think I could stand the loss of another puffer.
For reference the Ph is a 7.6. She was in neutral Ph in the tank at Petland, where I got her from. She was sharing the tank with some cichlid-type looking fish and two evidently starving puffers. She's in a 10 gallon tank, which she will not be staying in for her whole life, when she gets a little bigger I have a 20 gallon for her. She's in the tank with a snail which I also got at Petland yesterday (the snail seems to be doing fine). She is in freshwater but I know that Green Potted Puffers are brackish fish and I plan on starting at once she's healthy enough for me to do so.
She's sort of at the top of the water with her head pointing upwards but her body tilted downwards. Was the Ph difference too hi and it's killing her???
Sorry for the massive information and questions, I'm just really worried about her.

[puffykid]

Welcome to the forum, I was wondering how you cycled your tank and what your water parameters were, do you have a test kit (strips or liquid)? Also his eventual home will have to be a 30g + tank not a 20long.

In a tank as small as a 10g it doesn't take long for him to be sitting in his own wastes cause its not space for him and puffers have heavy bioloads. Finally how does your wc schedule look?

Hope your new friend feels better soon


The classic sign of a puffer with ip is a belly that is seems sunken and that after feeding will shrink down within hours.

Personally I would choose jungle fizzy tabs over what your using because its more effective and its easy to find (just go to your local walmart that has a fish section) This needs to be addressed sooner rather then later but may not be the underlining cause right now for why your buddy isnt feel well.

[SaraGarcia1701]

I originally took 5 gallons of water from my 75 gallon African Cichlid tank and then added 5 gallons of distiller, that was three months ago when I first set up the ten gallon for my first Green Spotted Puffer.
I have a Ph test kit but other than that I don't have anything to test the ammonia levels or the nitrate levels. I suppose this might sound dumb of me but I figured that since the tank had been cycling for so long and it had water from a previous tank, then the ammonia and the nitrate levels would be fine. :/
I literally just got this little puffer yesterday so I've yet to do any water change at all. I figured I would do that next week, hopefully a 50% water change so that I can start creating a brackish tank for her.
I have a 20 gallon long and then I have a 55 gallon breeder which she can have when she gets a little bit bigger, that's no problem at all and I know she can't stay in the 10 gallon tank.
I can see if I can find some jungle fizzy tabs but the difference in her color from yesterday to today is shocking and I'm very concerned that, maybe, it was something I've done. Be that Ph or temperature or anything. I had just cleaned the filter yesterday and made sure to stir up the gravel on the bottom before I even put her in to get rid of any possible trapped gasses in the gravel. The tank has been sitting empty for about two weeks before yesterday.

[puffykid]

I hate to be tell you this but tank water has very little good microbes in it so your tank isn't cycled and your gsp is being poisoned by his/her own waste. Do you have some filter media or some decor you can transfer over immediately from the 75g tank? It'll help with the build up of bioload thats within your tank right now.
Turning the water over to brackish isnt that important right now when they are young they can be in fresh water. First you need to get the tank cycled. turning water into brackish water can be raised by .002 a week to not kill off your good bacteria but again getting him into better water conditions is what you need to be concerned with right now. Since your tank isn't cycled would it be possible to set up the 20g for your gsp and put some media in there? The reason I suggest this is that it'll give you more water to work with which will help with the water conditions. Do a 50% wc right now to help him out and use that time to put in some decor or filter media puffers are scaleless fish which means that they are much more sensitive to nitrates and ammonia then other fish.


Also please pick up a liquid test kit (suggestion around here is api) so you can see what is going on chemically within your tank.

[scpion]

Since u have a spare 20G, pls move him in immediately. Forget about the water in the current tank. I would use 30% water from your "established hopefully disease free" cichlid tank and the rest would be fresh clean water. Move some filter media from there too. Your bacterial could have died off in the 10g when u left it empty. Making your 10g totally uncycled. The 3mth ago to 2weeks ago leaves alot of ?? as well but that is no longer important. Water does not hold nitifying bacterial. Smaller tanks can be pretty unstable and tricky as well if not maintained properly. Pls get the kits and monitor the water closely.

Ammonia/nitrite poisoning imo. So, please act quick. U do not have till next week.

[puffykid]

Since u have a spare 20G, pls move him in immediately. Forget about the water in the current tank. I would use 30% water from your "established hopefully disease free" cichlid tank and the rest would be fresh clean water. Move some filter media from there too. Your bacterial could have died off in the 10g when u left it empty. Making your 10g totally uncycled. The 3mth ago to 2weeks ago leaves alot of ?? as well but that is no longer important. Water does not hold nitifying bacterial. Smaller tanks can be pretty unstable and tricky as well if not maintained properly. Pls get the kits and monitor the water closely.

Ammonia/nitrite poisoning imo. So, please act quick. U do not have till next week.

Don't use the water, again water has very little actual beneficial bacteria in it. Move over some decor and filter media from the 75g please.

[SaraGarcia1701]

I don't have the larger tanks with me right now. They're at my parent's house which is an hour away. I'll do the very best I can though. I'll do a water change and hopefully it'll be enough until I get get the larger tank. :/ I feel so terrible that I'm causing my puffer so much stress and suffering due to my negligence. Thank you very much for the well needed information.
As a question, the 10 gallon tank has been running for at least 3 months with quite a bit of decor. It's housed fish all except from April 4th to April 15th. I'm sure that before April 6th it had good bacteria in it as it was running for months before that with decor and fish inside it. Did all the bacteria die off from April 6th to April 15th? Did it die off because there was no fish in the tank??

[scpion]

Since u have a spare 20G, pls move him in immediately. Forget about the water in the current tank. I would use 30% water from your "established hopefully disease free" cichlid tank and the rest would be fresh clean water. Move some filter media from there too. Your bacterial could have died off in the 10g when u left it empty. Making your 10g totally uncycled. The 3mth ago to 2weeks ago leaves alot of ?? as well but that is no longer important. Water does not hold nitifying bacterial. Smaller tanks can be pretty unstable and tricky as well if not maintained properly. Pls get the kits and monitor the water closely.

Ammonia/nitrite poisoning imo. So, please act quick. U do not have till next week.

Don't use the water, again water has very little actual beneficial bacteria in it. Move over some decor and filter media from the 75g please.

I said 30% from the "established hopefully disease free" cichlid tank and the rest would be fresh clean water. Move some filter media from there too.

Coz imo the water in the 10g now is practically poison.

[puffykid]

I don't have the larger tanks with me right now. They're at my parent's house which is an hour away. I'll do the very best I can though. I'll do a water change and hopefully it'll be enough until I get get the larger tank. :/ I feel so terrible that I'm causing my puffer so much stress and suffering due to my negligence. Thank you very much for the well needed information.
As a question, the 10 gallon tank has been running for at least 3 months with quite a bit of decor. It's housed fish all except from April 4th to April 15th. I'm sure that before April 6th it had good bacteria in it as it was running for months before that with decor and fish inside it. Did all the bacteria die off from April 6th to April 15th? Did it die off because there was no fish in the tank??

Ya in order for a tank to continue considered being cycled you have to drop in the amount of food that the fish that would inhabit it would consume and allow that to break down so that the bacteria is being feed and a die off doesn't occur then do small 10-15% wc's a week depending on your readings.

Please though when cycling a tank move over decor or filter media.

[bertie 83]

I would do 80% w/c adding fresh dechlorinated. Water and another 30% or so in an hour. And yes add some filter media from your other tank. Bacteria die off is really fast

[SaraGarcia1701]

Okay well thank you very much. I've learned quite a bit. Hopefully, I haven't caused the death of my little puffer. I'll do a water change today, get the API test kit and work on straightening out this mess. Thank you, evryone, very much for your help.

[bertie 83]

We all make mistakes. I would work on picking up a larger tank ASAP to help this little fella, you will find it way easier to stabilise him in larger water volumes. Big regular waterchanges are essential also.

[SaraGarcia1701]

So I did a 50% water change and even added two tablespoons of instant ocean salt for good measure. I tried to feed her but she won't eat. She was just sort of floating at the bottom of the tank but she just swam up a bit but now she's back down at the bottom again. Maybe I should do another water change later today?

[Pufferpunk]

Absolutely, yes. What are you using for dechlorinator? Are you matching the temp? Have you gotten the test kit yet?

[SaraGarcia1701]

The temp is fine being 82 degrees. I wound up Getting bottled water from the store. I still don't have the kit, apparently Walmart didn't have any and I figured doing the water change was a little more important.
Should I do another 50% water change later today?